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Title: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 06, 2025, 05:58 PM
I need an adhesive to bond titanium to paper board. The item are very small jigsaw puzzles that I complete and frame. Most of the adhesives I have tried leak between the puzzle pieces or are too thick and the pieces do not want to stay in plane with each other. I have tried Aleene's The Ultimate, Duco Cement, E6000, Gorilla Clear Grip and Locktite Vinyl, Fabric & Plastic. Some like the Duco leak between the pieces and it's a horrifying task to clean it without damaging the image and some are thick enough the only way is to apply it is with a toothpick  a drop at a time on each piece - a tedious job since the pieces are tiny and each puzzle is between 200-300 or they wont lay flat. The images below show the scale I am working on and one of the finished puzzles.

Thanks for any help and sorry for the poor quality images.

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Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 06, 2025, 06:48 PM
Adhesives...that's a sticky subject.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 06, 2025, 08:29 PM
Quote from: jabberwoki on Apr 06, 2025, 06:48 PMAdhesives...that's a sticky subject.

Let's adhere to the rules.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 07, 2025, 07:35 PM
I`ll try to apply myself.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 07, 2025, 07:49 PM
Im glad we've bonded.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: goodfellow on Apr 08, 2025, 06:26 AM
I'm totally unschooled in all matters concerning "goo", but damn -- that's some impressive puzzle work my friend. Kudos to your level of patience and determination.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: AbiggerGarage on Apr 08, 2025, 07:43 AM
What about sandwiching the whole thing in epoxy?
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 08, 2025, 12:34 PM
Quote from: goodfellow on Apr 08, 2025, 06:26 AMI'm totally unschooled in all matters concerning "goo", but damn -- that's some impressive puzzle work my friend. Kudos to your level of patience and determination.


Thanks Goodfellow. They are fun but do require patience. The puzzles come with plastic tipped tweezers (actually pretty high quality ones) and I use a magnifier lamp both essential for me on these.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 08, 2025, 12:36 PM
Quote from: AbiggerGarage on Apr 08, 2025, 07:43 AMWhat about sandwiching the whole thing in epoxy?

A good thought but some are iridescent and I'm afraid they would loose the effect.

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Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 08, 2025, 05:50 PM
Yep we're attached
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 08, 2025, 07:00 PM
Quote from: jabberwoki on Apr 08, 2025, 05:50 PMYep we're attached
It seems we're stuck.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 09, 2025, 05:09 PM
Click and paste has got nutting on us.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 10, 2025, 07:52 AM
Seems we've made contact.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 10, 2025, 03:55 PM
We are indeed in a conglutinated state for sure.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 10, 2025, 07:39 PM
I think I know the cure.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: Hickory n Steel on Apr 11, 2025, 08:35 AM
Maybe try building the puzzles onto a piece of double sided tape?
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 11, 2025, 12:31 PM
I have 3M 568 Positionable Mounting Adhesive and 3M 924 Adhesive Transfer Tape (which are both similar basically just the adhesive with no carrier just release paper on both sides) I use for mounting paper but I am unsure about long term stability on the titanium. 
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 11, 2025, 04:47 PM
Separation anxiety?
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 11, 2025, 04:52 PM
We should cement our understanding.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 11, 2025, 06:09 PM
Yep a great way to weld a friendship.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: Hickory n Steel on Apr 11, 2025, 09:04 PM
Have you thought about maybe putting them inside those clear PVC coin sleeves that coin collectors use ?
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 11, 2025, 09:07 PM
Very tacky.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 11, 2025, 09:11 PM
Quote from: Hickory n Steel on Apr 11, 2025, 09:04 PMHave you thought about maybe putting them inside those clear PVC coin sleeves that coin collectors use ?

Yes, but clarity is an issue it dulls the iridescent effect.

In fact I did a test with Melenix (similar to Mylar) but it distorted the image a little.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: jabberwoki on Apr 13, 2025, 09:03 AM
Ill just caulk it up to a learning curve.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on Apr 13, 2025, 01:28 PM
I guess that's the kicker.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: wilbilt on May 05, 2025, 03:44 PM
j.a.f.e., have you tried cyanoacrylate? i.e., "less-than-water-thin super glue".

A micro-drop of that instantly flows into any crevices and bonds. I used it when building R/C model aircraft and the instantaneous bond between dissimilar surfaces was incredible.

You need to be careful of the fumes, though. They will burn your nose and eyes.

Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on May 05, 2025, 06:52 PM
Thanks Will. I have but it leaks to the front.

I have gotten some 3M emblem adhesive I will try.

It's times like this some superpowers would come in handy.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: wilbilt on May 08, 2025, 12:01 PM
How about automotive trim and molding tape?

Something like 3M 3624. The stuff is pretty grippy, provided the surface is clean.

Tactical adhesion is what i am thinking.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on May 08, 2025, 12:35 PM
Sounds like exactly the right idea! That stuff is beyond tenacious. And it won't leak between the cuts.

I like the way you think!

Thank you.
Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: wilbilt on May 08, 2025, 12:59 PM
Quote from: j.a.f.e. on May 08, 2025, 12:35 PMSounds like exactly the right idea! That stuff is beyond tenacious. And it won't leak between the cuts.

I like the way you think!

Thank you.

You are most welcome. I only thought of it because I recently bought a window air conditioner as the last few summers here have been brutal and I am tired of dealing with swamp coolers. Pump, pads, motors, water leaks, etc.

But this window A/C is designed (as they all are) for double-hung up-down slidey windows which pretty much don't exist in the western US. We have the sideways-slidey windows and the thing just doesn't fit right. As a result, it was making an obnoxious noise whenever the compressor turned on. Since I have a roll of the 3M 3624 tape right here in my desk drawer (doesn't everyone?) I found the source of the noise. Vibration between the front grill of the unit and the housing. I cut some little pieces of the tape and shoved them in there. Then I stuck a strip all across the top between the housing and the grill.

Now, it just goes..."hmmmmmm".

That is what got me to thinking you might be able to use the tape. Because it is truly tremendously tactile.

Title: Re: Need Help Selecting Adhesive
Post by: j.a.f.e. on May 08, 2025, 01:55 PM
Quote from: wilbilt on May 08, 2025, 12:59 PM<snip> Since I have a roll of the 3M 3624 tape right here in my desk drawer (doesn't everyone?) </snip>

Looks like I will soon.